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The Republic (Non Fiction) | 
enlarge | Author: Plato Creators: Bruce Alexander, Tom Griffith Publisher: Naxos AudioBooks Category: Book
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Rating: 12 reviews Sales Rank: 318215
Format: Abridged, Audiobook Media: Audio CD Edition: Abridged Number Of Items: 4 Shipping Weight (lbs): 0.2 Dimensions (in): 5.6 x 4.9 x 1
ISBN: 9626341955 Dewey Decimal Number: 321.07 EAN: 9789626341957 ASIN: 9626341955
Publication Date: April 18, 2001 Availability: Usually dispatched within 1-2 business days Shipping: International shipping available Condition: Brand New. Shipped from UK Mainland. Delivery is usually 2 - 3 working days from order by Royal Mail, International Delivery is by Airmail.
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interesting but difficult to read December 24, 2008 Mr. J. Hudson I decided to read this book because it was referenced in several political textbooks. Despite reading all available reviews , I found this book very difficult to read ; this may be partly caused by my being a layman rather than an academic student. The book is a translation of a Greek papyrus rolls and is over 2000 years old. There is plenty of academic information in the book to help understand the rather strange presentation. This is not a riveting read ; I fell asleep numerous times during every chapter. The main problem is the waffley presentation. It is supposed to be a discussion about how to organise the perfect city, based on experience gained studying Greek cities of varying political approaches. The book shows that the author had an immense insight into human behaviour and psychology; however this knowledge seems to be lacking when it comes to applying it to politics. I should think Stalin and Hitler borrowed many ideas from this book. It is clear while reading , that this book was never intended to be widely read. It is not entertaining and the political views expressed would seem to be intended to suck up to the ruling classes. Then as now philosophers are members of the ruling classes , so they are not likely to bite the hand that feeds them and perhaps risk political reprisal. I then puzzled as to what other purpose the author may have intended it for. My conclusion was that it was intended to teach philosophy students the art of logical deductive thinking. Since most philosophers spend most of their time waffling to each other ; it would seem an perfect teaching method. Towards the end of the book there is a discussion about the merits of various political regimes; the author presented these regimes as separate political systems. What struck me was that the system we have now , hypocritically known as Democracy , contains all of them ; all struggling to take over the world. My conclusion drawn from this book is that there is no political system which is suited to organising humans to live in cities. Humans were designed to live in caves wearing animal skins; they were never intended to live in organised cities controlled by laws and political dogmas. Difficult to read , but interesting and fairly enjoyable even for a layman.
Excellent recording November 28, 2008 PhilosopherKing (London) The Republic is supposed to be one of the most widely read if not the most widely read works of philosophy ever to have been written. There are ten chapters and each one is packed with ideas that have been endlessly debated by philosophers and their students ever since. The Republic is also a dramatic and literary masterpiece. This is a 4 CD rendering of the classic beautifully read by Bruce Alexander. The only small quibble that I have is that the translation is slighly different to my Penguin edition thus making it impossible to read the text at the same time as listening to the recording. Just out of interest, I would recommend using the Routledge Philosophy Guidebook to Plato and the Republic by Nickolas Pappas for those wishing to learn more about this great book.
Good edition April 4, 2007 Iivex Elucid (UK) 7 out of 8 found this review helpful
Certainly a must read for anyone interested in politics or philosophy. This is a cornerstone of western philosophy and deserves to be read far into the future. Relatively clear, easy to understand and a joy to read. This Penguin Classics edition also has an excellent introduction (spanning more than 50 pages), and very useful translation notes. Each new chapter has a brief introduction explaning the main points and ideas running through the chapter. Given the price, this edition is a bargain.
Flawed audiobook, but hey, it's the only one available July 26, 2006 Gavin Wilson 9 out of 37 found this review helpful
There are two big flaws in Bruce Alexander's 4CD reading of Republic: Firstly, despite the four or five participants in these dialogues, Bruce's is the only voice, and he makes no attempt to change it to indicate a different character is speaking. Secondly, the selection of passages for this abridgement is bizarre. Of course the main ideas are here, such as the Allegory of the Cave. But to leave out both the Ship's Captain and the Beast is a major mistake, and particularly regrettable for anyone who took this year's AQA A-level in Philosophy! Equally, the editor has left in the metaphor of the Divided Line, which remains impenetrable even when you see it on paper as a diagram in one of the many commentaries on this book. The Republic is a vitally important book in the West, but I believe most governments here have learnt its lessons and improved upon them. Almost no-one nowadays would accept Plato's arguments for eugenics -- i.e. killing the deformed and infants of unpermitted unions -- for example. However, I believe the organisational design of the christian church and many corporations more or less implements the broad thrust of Plato's intent.
Life in an unreal ideal world January 5, 2006 Kurt Messick (London, SW1) 18 out of 24 found this review helpful
Plato's 'Republic' is one of the most important works of ancient Greek philosophy, and one of the foundation pieces of political science and political philosophy of that and subsequent ages. It was one of the first pieces I read when undertaking a political science degree. Plato was not only a great philosopher, but also a great writer. While few master the classical Greek language sufficient to undertake its study in the original language, the text appears in countless translated forms of varying degrees of integrity. This particular translation is one that is often used in schools, and is fairly careful to the original text. The text is traditionally divided into ten sections, although some scholars see this as being a function of the papyrus and scrolls of original composition more than being integral to the structure of the text itself. One of the interesting features of the Republic is that it was not originally intended for scholars and philosophers primarily, but for the common (albeit educated) reader, and remains one of the more accessible texts of ancient Greek philosophy. In typical fashion, this is done in a dialogue fashion, with the lead character Socrates (fashioned after Plato's teacher, the great philosopher Socrates, although the words Socrates utters in this and many other Platonic dialogues are undoubtedly Plato's own). There is a discussion on method (the Sophist Thrasymachus shows up early to make disparaging comments about the Socratic method) whilst trying to determine an adequate definition of justice, as well as a discussion on the virtues and/or utility of wealth and old age early in the text. Socrates moves the discussion of justice away from the individual toward the communal, and this is where the political philosophy gets played out in full. Book II shows the setting out of an ideal city (city-states being the most common form of political organisation in Greece at the time of Plato, with Athens and other cities competing for dominant role). Division of labour becomes an immediate necessity if a city grows beyond a small village setting, according to the theory here. These essentially become classes of people, with different rights and responsibilities, and different expectations of education and material well-being. The guardians or army class is the first one introduced, including an extensive discussion of the type of education and indoctrination such a class should have - this involves political and religious aspects. It follows from this discussion that censorship is not only tolerated, but selectively preferred. The guardian class is elaborated upon - they are to be divided into rulers and helpers (officer and enlisted class, perhaps?), and they should live separately from the city they guard, owning no private property so as to not be corrupted or corruptible. After establishing the just foundation of the city, the discussion returns to justice for the individual (interesting to note that what is not discussed is if justice is attainable in a non-ideal city). Justice, after all, is that state when everyone is doing what he or she should be doing, not meddling in other affairs, and exhibiting the virtues of moderation, wisdom, and courage. Justice becomes one of the virtues, and is part of an inner state of the soul of one living in such a society. Interesting parts of the Republic include the very early idea for equal rights and responsibilities for women, particularly in the guardian class. It is unclear whether Plato was aware of how self-serving his dialogue would seem, since his argument leads to the `natural' conclusion that the only ones who could really be in charge in such an ideal city would be the philosophers. Plato is not an advocate for democracy, and pokes fun quite a bit at democratic structures; he similarly disapproves of most of other types of government (oligarchy, plutocracy, timocracy, etc.) - one can discern the frustrated politician here. However, the real power of the Republic lies in Plato's remarkable images and metaphoric stories in the second half of the dialogue. These include his expositions on theories of the Forms, and trying to explain what the Good is, and how humankind interprets such things. The images of the ship, the Sun, and the men in the cave are powerful images that have lasted in popular literature since the time of Plato. This is a classic of Western literature and of world literature.
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